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You Can’t Make This Up

UNTOLD: Chess Mates

You Can’t Make This Up

Netflix

Society & Culture, Documentary, Tv & Film, True Crime, Film Interviews

4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

The Netflix sports documentary series Untold: Chess Mates looks back at the controversy surrounding a disruptive challenger to the Game of Kings. We hear from Hans Niemann and examine the claims he upset the reigning world champion by receiving radio signals in anal beads. It also features interviews with the chess luminaries who accused Niemann of cheating in the ultimate test of cerebral fitness. In this episode of You Can't Make This Up, host Rebecca Lavoie interviews Grandmaster Hans Niemann.  SPOILER ALERT! If you haven't watched Untold: Chess Mates yet, make sure to add it to your watch-list before listening on.  Dig deeper into all of your favorite Netflix documentaries and films at tudum.com.  Check our true crime hub at tudum.com/truecrime. Listen to more from Netflix Podcasts.

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0:00.0

I'm Rebecca Levoy, and this is You Can't Make This Up.

0:15.0

You Can't Make This Up as the podcast where we uncover the true stories behind your favorite Netflix documentaries and films.

0:21.4

On today's episode, we take a closer look at the Netflix documentary, Untold, Chessmates.

0:27.1

She's created a monster.

0:28.6

And while he's old, I'm going to be young, improving, and the best player in the world,

0:32.2

he's going to have to watch it.

0:33.5

And every fucking day of his life, he's going to have to realize that he did this to me.

0:39.7

Today, we're talking to Grandmaster Hans Neiman.

0:42.7

He was the teenage upstart, a brash competitor who brought the raucous sensibility of an

0:47.5

online gamer to the stoic world of chess.

0:50.6

But after the underdog handily beat the topped ranked player in the world,

1:01.5

rumors about Hans Neiman's swirled, including speculation he'd cheated by receiving radio signals in anal bees.

1:04.5

The scandal sizzled in the media and stunned the sport,

1:09.3

and had forced Neiman to declare to the chess world that he didn't cheat this time.

1:15.0

The Netflix sports documentary series, Untold Chessmates, looks back at the controversy surrounding one disruptive challenger to the Game of Kings.

1:18.3

We hear from Neiman himself and examine the claims he employed more than just skill to upset

1:23.3

the reigning world champion.

1:25.2

It also features interviews with the chess luminaries who accused Neiman of cheating

1:28.8

in the ultimate test of cerebral fitness.

1:31.4

He's now one of the most recognizable, infamous people to ever play the game of chess.

1:37.2

And in my opinion, he lost the person that he was along the way.

1:54.5

And I'm joined now by Grandmaster Hans Neiman.

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