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The Fall Line: True Crime

Unsolved Murders: Robert Martin & Tracey Thompson

The Fall Line: True Crime

The Fall Line® Podcast, LLC

True Crime, News

4.64.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2019

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Two unsolved murders, two counties 20 minutes apart, two years in between--and no answers into the hallmark "overkill" beatings of two members of the LGBTQ+ community--including a trans woman and a gender-nonconforming gay man. Special content advisory by Jadzia Axelrod.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Before we begin, a content warning and a note about language and pronoun use.

0:05.1

There are descriptions of violence contained in this episode.

0:08.7

We'll also be discussing problematic language used to label people who are trans or trans adjacent,

0:14.8

both by law enforcement and in the media. Finally, to the best of our knowledge,

0:19.6

we have used the victim's correct pronouns.

0:30.9

This is the whole line.

0:49.8

I don't think they really took that case. It's case really. They didn't take

0:55.1

it serious at all because he used to walk around. He didn't bother nobody. Everybody got

1:01.4

they false or doing stuff, but he didn't bother nobody. If he wanted to be gay, that was him.

1:08.0

If he wanted to dress like he wanted him, that was him. People would throw rocks at him when he

1:13.3

walked. He would come tell me. I would always go and I would let them know, you know, I'm the

1:20.4

fights one. Look, don't throw rocks at him. You want to throw rocks at him? Throw rocks at him.

1:26.0

Now I'm here, you know. In 1999, the advocate published an article reporting that California

1:33.3

governor, Gray Davis, had signed an historical bill, quote, banning harassment of the state's

1:38.8

teachers and students on grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity. It was also the year that,

1:45.1

as PBS notes, quote, the American Counseling Association adopted a position opposing

1:50.7

reparative therapy as a cure for individuals who are homosexual. 1999 marks the first annual

1:57.2

trans day of remembrance in the United States. The event was established in reaction to the 1998

2:03.8

murder of Rita Hester and served to memorialize those who have died due to anti-transprecious

2:10.0

hate and violence. Many of these crimes go unsolved and as the official website notes,

2:16.5

Rita Hester's case remains open to this day. During the late 1990s and in the southeast,

2:23.7

there were cities with an evident and visible gay and lesbian presence. Atlanta, Miami, Orlando,

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