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part of the show by backing us on Patreon. Hello everyone you are listening to We Saw the Devil. This is Robin and I am here

with an updated Pam Hup series guys. As all of you know the most recent episode this

week was with Respharia's criminal defense

attorney Joel Schwartz. So the last episode was my interview with him and back a couple

months ago it's about a year ago, I actually covered the whole Pam Hupp case, which is how I actually got in contact with Joel.

I covered the whole case in a five-part series, and after the Joel Shorts interview a lot of you wanted to go back and listen.

Well I thought instead of you know five separate episodes on this case how about we put them

together so that is what this episode is.

I lump them together, it's going to be a two-part series,

instead of five, it's just going to be two pieces, putting these episodes back together.

First, let's get our quick housekeeping out of the way.

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