Good evening, Current Affairs listeners. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor of Current Affairs Magazine,

and I am here tonight with a very special guest. Mr. Wendell Potter is the former

Vice President of Signer, but don't let that fool you. He is no longer part of the evil empire

of the private insurance industry.

For 10 years now, he has been an activist exposing the PR spin and lies of the insurance industry

and an activist for single-payer healthcare in America.

I'm very excited to talk to him.

He's also the author of the book, Deadly Spin, an insurance company

insider, speaks out on how corporate PR is killing healthcare and deceiving Americans, which was

released in 2010, but I have just read, and I have to say the sad thing about the book is that

it really hasn't aged at all in 10 years.

So I want to start with something funny that happened the other day, which is that you have a

you're on Twitter and you're a very active Twitter user.

Yes, I am.

And you have a tendency to say things like, as a former insurance industry executive,

I can tell you X, Y, and Z.

And someone saw one of these and was just shocked at the level of honesty and said something

like, this asshole just admitted everything.

Yes. That was a very noticeable. This asshole just admitted everything.

Yes. That was a very notable one. There are a lot of people out there who don't cut me any slack, or people who are just now catching on to what I've been doing over the last, really almost 11 years now. But it comes to the territory. Yeah, you were quite gracious about it, but I think

the, I mean, the interesting thing about it is that I think that person, you know, had the kind of

shock that a lot of people have when first encountering your writing and your work, which is

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