Hello, current affairs listeners. I am Eli Massey and I am here with my colleague, Ashling McCray,

a podmaster and contributing editor to the magazine. We're also joined by Yasmin Nair, who is a brilliant editor at large for the magazine,

and co-founder of Against Equality. We are also joined by Connor Habib, who is a host of the excellent

podcast Against Everyone with Connor Habib. He is a writer, a gay porn performer. And we are also

joined by Matilda Bernstein-Sikamore, who is an amazing writer and editor of a number of books.

Her latest novel is sketch to see. I read her

memoir, End of San Francisco, a couple of years ago, and it was such an incredible genre-defying

work, and I urge everyone to read it. And you all are some of my favorite thinkers and writers.

You know, I'm so very excited to get you all on together.

Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. So we're having you all on because it's

Pride Month and we're all, you know, at the moment, inundated with Pride Discourse. I know all three of you

are critical of Pride and Pride month, but I wanted to

start by asking who could possibly, you know, object to rainbows everywhere. Where's the

opposition from rainbows stemming from? Oh, God. An image of unicorns farting rainbows just popped into my mind, can I just say.

Who wants to go for us?

Matilda.

Yeah, I think Matilda is a person to start.

Well, I think it's not a critique of rainbows per se, but a critique of rainbow capitalism, right?

So we see the way that pride has become this consumer spectacle

where all the multinational corporations that are busy destroying the world are fighting over

how to get those gay or trans or queer or LGBT dollars, right? And so I think the critique is that we don't want to be

assimilated into the violence of the status quo, right? So it's not progress when Wells Fargo,

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