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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

UNLOCKED PREMIUM: Racism & Sam Kerr

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Comedy Interviews, Education, Society & Culture, Comedy, Self-improvement

4.5905 Ratings

🗓️ 15 March 2024

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Can a non-white person be racist? Or is racism something only white people do? The beloved captain of Australia's national women's soccer team, Sam Kerr, a woman of colour, was charged by UK police with racial harassment after allegedly calling a white male police officer a "stupid white bastard" in London.

 

Australia's commentariat has been twisting itself in knots trying to find the correct anti-racist hot take. The official consensus is that people of colour can't be racist, so she did nothing wrong. The other side shrieks that that's hypocrisy, insisting that all race-based insults are equally bad. Josh tries to bring rationality to an irrational debate.

 

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0:00.0

Gahey, humans.

0:03.3

Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas.

0:06.4

And what does it mean to be racist?

0:08.6

Can a person of color ever be racist towards a white person?

0:12.9

Can a person of color be racist towards another person of color?

0:16.8

Or is racism just prejudice plus power as the new definition insists?

0:23.0

This is all coming to a four in Australia at the moment.

0:25.6

Over the past few weeks, amid a furor over one of our greatest athletes,

0:29.5

in some respects, everything that can be said has been said about this incident.

0:35.3

And in other respects, the deepest questions that it raises about

0:40.6

bigotry and tolerance and identity haven't really been touched in an authentic way as far as I

0:49.0

can tell. So I feel like I ought to touch them. My feet have just landed in Australia for a big overseas trip.

0:57.2

So I was stunned by this news and disappointed at the way that it's been treated in the media.

1:03.9

And the conformism, I suppose, the ease with which people's opinions about it have fallen along neat ideological lines.

1:12.2

If you don't know what happened, if you're not Australian, basically the allegation,

1:16.6

which has not yet been proven in court, the allegation is that 14 months ago in January of

1:22.3

2023, Australia's greatest sports star, Samantha Kerr, the captain of the Australian women's soccer team

1:29.6

and the star of its performance in the Women's Soccer World Cup last year, which was hosted in

1:34.9

Australia, spent a night in jail in southwest London after being charged with the racial

1:41.5

harassment of a police officer.

1:45.7

Now, Sam Kerr is Australian, but she has some Indian heritage on her father's side.

1:52.4

She would probably pass for white.

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