Previously on keep the dream alive the peak of tiny telephone was intoxicating when you own a business

You you get dragged into capitalism whether you want to or not and one of the first things that happened was I wanted to like

Expand the empire. This is how empires are lost right in 2006

I met someone we'll call Madeline while touring in France

We made a decision very early on to get married and Madeline picks me up from the airport and I said

Did you cheat on me? I'm not sure if I've like really recovered

You're not really allowed to bring grief or depression or anything else in the studio

It's almost like I became a worse person John his personality and his his like day-to-day

existence as a human outside the studio even it just got more challenging and

darker I am

Touring with a vengeance at this point. We are driving on the 80 freeway in Ohio and I look up

I scream Jacob, you know kind of jerks the wheel to the left

I don't know we may be missed the car by 20 yards. It was horrifying to me

I was like I'm never gonna tour again. I remember him having kind of like a rough time with that tour

I was just like man. I wanted to do this forever

I didn't know that it had like a timeline on it. You know every time I talked to him it was him just

unloading his stress and anxiety on me

This place was so important to the the creative heart of the Bay area and he really didn't want it to

To dissolve that was really hard for him. I was devastated when I learned that it was gonna shut down

Having that job gave me so much hope and I just love working there and that's the point where we hit

Ultrasadness and it really really peaked with this moment where I couldn't pay the rent in San Francisco and I thought

Whatever this is isn't gonna happen again like this was special and that was the beginning of the end

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