This is Unheard Cuts on Being. I'm Krista Tippett. You're listening to my unedited conversation

with literary historian Paul Collins and artist and author Jennifer Elder. They are also parents

of Morgan who has autism. I spoke with them on August 22nd, 2007, from the studios of APM in

St. Paul, Minnesota. They were in the studios of Oregon Public Broadcasting in Portland, Oregon.

This interview is included in our show, Autism and Humanity. Download the MP3 of the produced

show at onbeing.org.

Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi. This is Jennifer. Hi. It's Krista.

Hi. Hi. Hi. This is Paul. Yeah, nice to have you on the other end of the line. Microphone.

I'm really, really delighted that you agreed to do this. I mean, do you have any questions of me

about the show? What? Sorry. Oh, oh, all right. So, okay. If you do, Mitch thinks my producer here

thinks they're still setting up a year and so. Oh, yes. They said they're having technical difficulty.

Yeah. Okay. But Mitch, we can talk, can we? Okay. I don't want to talk about anything substantive,

though. But if you want, let's just talk. I can handle that trivial. But if you did have,

you know, if you have any questions, fire away. I don't think so, but I really enjoyed your interview

with Barbara King-Solver. Oh, you know, I thought actually I went out and planted a garden after that

for the first time. Oh, really, yes. It really affected me and practically. Yeah, really,

it really was good. I actually think I might go listen to the long one, which, you know,

I guess that's hardcore when you listen to the long one. It's really great that you guys have it.

Well, you know, we just started putting those up about, I don't know, month ago, six weeks ago,

and my online editor really wanted us to do it. And it's been amazing how many people

listened to those. And really appreciate it. And that's kind of, yeah, I'm sorry.

Oh, yeah, I was going to say I've noticed that a lot of like print publications now will have,

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