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I'm Christa Tippett. Up next, my unedited conversation with Abby Wombach and Glenin Doyle.

There is, as always, a shorter, produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

It is just such an honor to have Christa Tippett here, who of course has not only with on-being, but also through his civil conversations work, really helped us look at what conversation and dialogue was.

I think that I can see what I'm doing and dialogue can look like.

When I was talking here just before, I let her know that in 2016 when her book came out, I think I bought it for every single person I knew.

Thank you Jackie for introducing it to me.

I have a staff at Fidelity Charitable, and all of us would listen to her podcast on the way into work, and then we would meet in the morning to actually just have a moment of reflection to think about what she had shared with us.

In the book, I know she mentions, there was a quote that I loved, which was, our world is abundant with quiet, hidden lives of beauty and courage and goodness.

She talks about the gap between who we are and who we want to be, and I think this life of conversation that she has been living and breathing so beautifully is just a gift to all of us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I feel very held in this room, and I was so impressed with this group, and so many women I met, people whose faces I recognize again, people whose names I didn't learn, but it's wonderful to be here.

It's wonderful to be here with two women.

I have just been looking for the right opportunity to get them on the show, and this just felt like it. I think there was going to be a big dazzling introduction of them because they are both forces of nature.

I don't want to spend a lot of time going through their exhaustive bio, so they are in the program.

Now retired from that, which we are going to get to that, because that's kind of weird, a very bizarre idea.

I don't know how to describe it. One of the things you talk about now is yourself as a radical philanthropist.

I have a question that I begin most conversations with, and I ask somebody to start talking about how they would begin to describe the religious or spiritual background of their childhood.

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