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Glennon Doyle's book, Untamed, has been a sensation of 2020 and beyond.

And now she's launched a new podcast titled With Words of Hers that Have Become a Cultural Force.

We Can Do Hard Things.

Meanwhile, her wife, the soccer icon Abby Wombok, has her own bestselling books and is hosting a new TV show,

Abby's Places on ESPN Plus.

I had a conversation with the two of them before they were quite so much in the public eye together,

and it's a window into the passions that brought them here.

Abby first became a hero to many as an Olympic gold medalist and World Cup champion.

Glennon first entered the American imagination as a Christian mommy blogger,

but she and her online community, Mama Sterry, evolved into a community of giving and activism

with a nonprofit called Together Rising.

What follows is a conversation about courage that is both serious and playful,

as it turns up in their lives apart and together.

From addiction to social activism to blended family parenting.

I mean, Glennon and I talk a lot about this notion of despair.

Sometimes she says it to our 10-year-old who has fallen down in a soccer game.

She'll say, no time for despair.

Now look at her. I'm like, what?

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