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I'm Christa Tippett and this is on Beings Unheard Cuts. Up next, my unedited conversation with

historian Annette Gordon-Reed and painter Titus Caffar. There is a shorter, produced version of

this wherever you found this podcast. Thank you Benjamin. Please join me again in giving Benjamin

a round of applause. He and his words and his music will be with us throughout the weekend and

you'll get chances in between different sessions as well to spend time visiting with him.

Welcome everybody. It is a beautiful thing to see all of you here tonight. My name is Eric Liu.

I'm the co-founder of Citizen University.

And I'm just so incredibly moved to see you all here. And I was moved from the first note that

came out of Ben's mouth, the pitch, the timbre of it. There's something about it that I think is

the pitch in the timbre of our political moment right now in the country is one where people are

there's tension and then the expression and the release of that tension is something that is

both hard to bear and necessary to bear and so much of the energy that is in this room tonight

is testament to the latter interpretation that Ben said that or actually the first interpretation.

The latter interpretation was a lot of these things keep happening over and over again.

But the first interpretation is hey we know what to do.

But just because we can be guided by history in knowing what to do in times of division and

trial and social fracture and scapegoating doesn't mean that we in fact will do.

What we know we need to do. And that's where fellowship and the company of others and the presence

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