[Unedited] Jonathan Rowson with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

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Sociology, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Arts, Culture, On Being, Society, Society & Culture, Science, Social Sciences

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🗓️ 18 July 2019

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Applied philosopher Jonathan Rowson insists on holding a deeper appreciation for how our inner worlds influence our outer worlds. His research organization, Perspectiva, examines how social change happens across “systems, souls, and society.” “If we can get better and more nimble and more generous about how we move between those worlds, then the chance of creating a hope that makes sense for all of us is all the greater,” he says. We engage his broad spiritual lens on the great dynamics of our time, from social life to the economy to the climate. Jonathan Rowson is co-founder and director of the research institute Perspectiva based in London. He is also the former director of the Social Brain Centre at the Royal Society of Arts and is a chess grandmaster and three-time British Chess Champion. His books include “The Seven Deadly Chess Sins,” “Chess for Zebras,” and, most recently, “Spiritualize: Cultivating Spiritual Sensibility to Address 21st Century Challenges.” His forthcoming book, “The Moves that Matter: A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life,” will be published in November 2019. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Jonathan Rowson — Integrating Our Souls, Systems, and Society." Find more at onbeing.org.

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0:00.0	Support for on-being with Christa Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute, helping build the
0:04.4	spiritual foundation for a loving world. Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding
0:10.3	principle and animating force for our lives, a powerful love that helps us live in sacred
0:15.2	relationship with ourselves, others, and the natural world. Learn more by visiting Fetzer.org.
0:22.7	I'm Christa Tippett and this is my unedited conversation with applied philosopher and
0:27.6	chess grandmaster Jonathan Rauson. There is a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.
0:37.1	Hello. Hello is that Jonathan? Yeah, hi there. I'm very sorry. I'm a little late. Oh, don't worry.
0:42.3	It's okay. Good to meet you. You too. You too.
0:50.3	Are they still filling around? No, I'm free. I'm ready. All alone and yeah, we're all set, I think.
0:56.4	All alone. All right. Christa, do you need some levels from us? All right. Would you tell me
1:02.8	something mundane like what you had? Yeah, how you had? Yeah, I was on the green line, the district
1:09.3	line, and about two stops from where I needed to change. It paused for about 10 minutes for no
1:14.1	particular reason. And then we got changed to another line and that train that I was expecting to get
1:20.8	wasn't coming again for another 10 minutes. Yeah. And such is life. About 20 minute minutes went
1:26.2	one away. Yeah, I just spent a night in a city I did not expect to spend a night on because of
1:34.8	mechanical airplane troubles. I know we're always so shocked when these things happen and actually
1:40.4	what's miraculous is how we just speed through space all the time and take care of Brandon most of the time.
1:48.8	Christa, do you need anything from me? Am I okay? All right. Good. We can start. Now tell me this,
1:53.2	Christa, do we have a hard stop at the other end or at our end? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right.
2:02.8	So I've been so intrigued by your work for a number of years and I'm really glad that we're
2:08.1	finally speaking. Me too. Me too. I also have a deep love of Scotland and I doubt that we'll have
2:17.4	time to talk about that but it also inclines me to like you. How that helps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
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