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I'm Christa Tippett. Up next, my unedited conversation with Zen Priest and Social Visionary

Angel Kyoto Williams. There is a shorter, produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

Okay. Can I call you Angel? Is that all right? Yes, you can, I guess.

Okay. I'm delighted to have you on the other end of the microphone to meet you.

I would speak. Thank you. I should have put a little picture of you across the room.

Thank you. No, I really believe in what the human voice can carry. There's a real intimacy.

I'm sure you've probably done ISDN before. I assume this kind of thing without being

physically present. Yes. I think there's a special kind of intimacy to it.

Yeah, you have to listen. Yeah, you have to listen. So, Chris, I am still hearing, yeah, you're

hearing it too. I've been, yeah.

Angel, there is one. If you look at where the, no, it's not up on top. Just below the lip of the

table, you'll see there's a little knob there. Got it.

Less. It turned down the volume. I'll translate into. Yeah, yeah, I got that.

I was just making sure my hands were translating that. Yeah, he's usually sensitive to

to to non-technical people, but I'm pretty technical. How's that?

Okay. So, well, what I was going to say is that I, I've been following you and reading you

for years and I'm just so glad that we're finally doing this. And I, and I thank you.

My volume is like, likewise,

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