Hi, Angel. Hi there. How are you? Oh, well, I'm glad to be hearing your voice. Yeah, good to hear you.

Where are you? I am in Oakland now, which is, yeah, different Oakland than I was before, but

Oakland, I moved right, right at the onset of all of the pandemic. You were moving as it was

unfolding. We had a California went into their

stay-at-home orders on the 18th, on the 17th, and we were scheduled to move on the 18th.

Yeah. Well, I think I'm sure Julie explained, you know, we're putting our big beautiful

conversation back on the air, and I wanted to talk to you kind of right now, you know, for just,

you know, 20, 30 minutes, check in with you. I will say that listening again to the conversation

we had several years ago, it feels prescient. I mean, it doesn't just feel prescient. It feels

like, you know, I don't know that you use the language of this moment, but, you know,

you said there is something dying in our society, in our culture, and there's something dying in

us individually, and what is dying is the willingness to be in denial. And some place else, you

said, we are evolving at such a pace what we're experiencing now in our society. We're just cycling

through it. We're digesting the material of the misalignment. We're digesting the material of how

intolerable it is to be intolerant. We're digesting the material of 400, 500 years of historical

context that we have decided to leave behind our heads, and we are choosing to turn over our

shoulders and say, I must face this because it is intolerable to live in any other way,

than a way that allows me to be in contact with my full loving human self.

I feel like you name something here that this evolution, we're in a moment, right? We're using

this language of the moment. And we were already in the moment, you know, why we were building to

this in all its complexity, which is not all pretty and not all hopeful, but it's all of a piece.

All necessary. So I, you know, I wonder, yeah, were you, I almost want to ask you, you know,

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