Underestimated: Mary Marantz on Embracing Fear and Moving Forward

Typology

Ian Morgan Cron

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🗓️ 9 May 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

This week we welcome the incredible Mary Marantz, an Enneagram 4 and author of the new book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway.

In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative power of understanding our Enneagram types and how they shape our narratives. Mary shares her personal journey of self-discovery, revealing how she once identified as a self-preserving 4 and the profound impact that realization had on her life.

We explore the moments in our childhoods that made us feel different, the stories we tell ourselves, and how those narratives can either limit or liberate us. Mary opens up about her experiences growing up in rural West Virginia and how they influenced her drive for perfectionism and the need to be seen and valued.

Here are some highlights you won’t want to miss:

The significance of recognizing our core longings and how they shape our identities.
A candid discussion on the fears that hold us back, including perfectionism, people-pleasing, and imposter syndrome.
Insights into how we can redefine what a "big life" means for us, moving beyond societal expectations.

Mary’s wisdom and vulnerability shine through as she encourages us to embrace our stories, both the beautiful and the painful. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand themselves better and to find the courage to move forward.

Tune in now to hear this enlightening conversation and discover how you can start to shift your own narrative!

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality and the human adventure all through the lens of the Ennegram.
0:13.1	My name is Anthony Skinner, your producer and co-host. So happy to have you here today, folks. We've got a great guest talking about best-selling author of
0:21.8	the book, Dirt, and now the new released, Underestimated, the surprisingly simple shift to quit playing
0:28.4	small, name the fear, and move forward anyway. And we discuss each of those in this podcast,
0:35.6	how to quit playing small, naming the fear, and moving forward, and more.
0:40.8	I'm talking about Enigram for Mary Morantz, who is also the host of the popular podcast,
0:46.8	The Mary Morantz show.
0:48.7	She's had her work featured on CNN, MSN, Business Insider, Bustle, Thrive Global, Southern Living, Hallmark Home,
0:56.4	on and on and on.
0:58.7	Hey, so glad that you're here with the three of us today.
1:02.4	You're going to love Mary.
1:03.8	That's it for me, Anthony Skinner.
1:05.2	And now without any further ado, here is the host of our show, Ian Crum.
1:16.6	Music here is the host of our show, Ian Kron. Enneagram family.
1:18.3	Oh, man, today is a big one.
1:20.3	As you know, my great friend, Mary Moran's Anagram 4.
1:25.1	Today is the launch day of her new book,
1:29.9	Underestimated, the surprisingly simple shift to quit playing small, name the fear, and move forward anyway. I have been on Mary's
1:36.8	podcast. I'm delighted that she's here. She is a rock star, Mary. Welcome to Typology.
1:43.4	Oh my gosh. Ian, thank you so much. For everybody listening, Mary, welcome to Typology. Oh, my gosh.
1:45.3	Ian, thank you so much.
1:50.4	For everybody listening, you don't get to see this part, which makes me sad, but there was a whole country road serenade that happened just before we hit record.
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