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I worked on the cover for about just less than 14 years, so I used to catch drug dealers for

living, essentially. And over that space of time, I realised that everything that I was doing

was not only futile, because futility would be bad enough. But it actually was causing immense

harm not only to individuals who are vulnerable people who needed help, but also it was actively

increasing the levels of crime, in particular violent crime, in our society.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kitten.

And this is a show for you, if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our fantastic guest today is a former undercover police officer here in the UK.

Neil Woods, welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you. It's great to have you on the show.

We've got so much to talk with you about. We're going to talk about drugs. We're going to talk

about corruption and the police force. We'll talk about lots of things. Before we do, for those

people in our audience watching and listening who don't know who you are, what is your story?

Who are you? How are you where you are? How are you sitting here talking to us?

Well, I am a former police officer, former undercover police officer, and I worked on the cover

for about for just less than 14 years. And I used to almost entirely investigate drugs fences.

So I used to catch drug dealers for a living, essentially. And over that space of time,

I realized that everything that I was doing was not only futile, because futility would be bad

enough, but it actually was causing immense harm not only to individuals who were vulnerable

people who needed help, but also it was actively increasing the levels of crime, in particular,

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