There's no control of migration on this board at all.

We've got more people coming in, so this year's 200,000.

Huge numbers, and it costs around £40,000 for each individual in the first year.

That's about £8,000.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry, I'm Francis Foster, I'm Constantin Kissing, and this

is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is the founder for the Centre for Migration and Economic

Prosperity Stephen Wolf, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you very much guys, I really appreciate you bringing it on.

It's really great to have you on the show before we get into the conversational,

tell everybody a little bit about who are you, how are you where you are, what is the journey

that brings you to be sitting here talking to us?

Well I'm a monk, so from your colleague over here we've already had the kind of

Manchester Liverpool argument that was born in Manchester, and I grew up in a couple

of council estates, one more side which most people recognise as being from the riots

of the 80s, a pretty rough area, and then growing up in Withington near a park where I used

to do break-dancing and football, so that was brilliant thing.

I was lucky enough to have a family Irish grandmother, English grandfather,

black American grandfather and a Jewish grandmother, who kind of, even though we lived on

the council estate, believed that the way forward to get on was by education and just keep pushing,

never allowing people to define you by who you are and just keep climbing that ladder,

but being decent along the way, trying not to be nasty to others, it's not always the way

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