UNCANCELLABLE: Tom MacDonald on Freedom, Fear, and Fame

Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels

Jillian Michaels

Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Nutrition, Education

4.4 • 3.5K Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2025

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

Tom MacDonald wages war on a “Woke World” and risks it all in the process. The music industry wanted him silenced—instead, he became the biggest independent rapper in the world. From the depths of severe alcoholism and poverty to complete financial freedom, Tom breaks down the brutal cost of telling the truth in a world addicted to lies. He reveals how he dismantles the culture war by rejecting the trap of tribalism entirely—weaponizing the labels cast by the woke left while exposing the cowardice of the “alt right". This episode goes beyond controversy and into the blueprint of building power without permission: owning your masters, controlling your message, and turning rejection into leverage. It’s a blunt look at the price of authenticity, the discipline required to stay sober, and what it really takes to go from rags to riches without selling your soul. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Today I'm sitting down with the single most controversial independent artist in the music industry.
0:08.0	I can't be canceled. There's no way that you can stop me.
0:12.0	I'm fully independent. There's no label who can drop me. Y'all been starting rumors. Let me help you with some.
0:18.0	Yeah. He's a racist. He's a sexist. He's in love with Donald Trump.
0:21.6	Y'all can't cancel me. My life is scandal free.
0:24.6	There ain't no sponsors taking losses because the brand is me.
0:27.6	My hands are clean. My family and my fans agree. Y'all can't cancel me for facts because you're mad and weak.
0:34.6	He's the man, the establishment loves to hate, and the people refuse to ignore. He's the man, the establishment, loves to hate,
0:38.7	and the people refuse to ignore.
0:40.8	He's topped the charts without a label,
0:42.9	without radio, and despite every attempt to silence him.
0:47.2	We discuss how he battled his way out of addiction
0:49.6	and extreme poverty to become the voice
0:52.2	of a disenfranchised generation. This is the first time in my life.
0:55.0	Like my Facebook fan page went from like 900 people to 25,000 people like in four days.
1:03.0	Standing up for everyone tired of being lectured about race, gender, and politics by a system designed to divide us.
1:11.6	We're diving headfirst into the culture war, the corruption rotting our institutions,
1:15.6	and the ways media is propagandized against kids and adults.
1:19.6	They use news to control adults and they use pop culture to control kids.
1:24.6	There has to be some sort of talking between news and pop culture. There has to be some
1:31.8	sort of connection there. And the ultimate rebellion of simply telling the truth. This is my
1:37.2	interview with Tom McDonald.
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