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Today, Explained

Umami Mama

Today, Explained

Vox

Politics, Daily News, News

4.310.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2022

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

For thousands of years, there have been four basic tastes recognized across cultures. But thanks to Kumiko Ninomiya (aka the Umami Mama), scientists finally accepted a fifth. As part of its Making Sense series, Vox’s Unexplainable podcast explores whether there could be even more. This episode was reported and produced by Meradith Hoddinott and edited by Katherine Wells, Noam Hassenfeld, Brian Resnick with help from Mandy Nyugen and Byrd Pinkerton. Music by Noam. Cristian Ayala handled the mixing and sound design. Research and fact checking by Richard Sima. Tori Dominguez is our audio fellow. Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

In a world where change is accelerating, how do we find meaning, comfort, and connection?

0:05.4

Whatever your spiritual beliefs, if any, the PRX podcast How God Works offers a rare combination

0:11.3

of cutting-edge science and ancient wisdom meant to help us all grapple with some of life's biggest

0:16.0

questions. Join me, Dave Dosteno, for Season 3. From meditation to psychedelics and burning

0:21.7

man to techshabot, we're going to take a look at what role spirituality might play in what comes

0:26.6

next, available on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.

0:39.6

Today, explain to listeners, hi, it's Noel. We're doing something a little different today.

0:44.3

We have an episode from our friends at the unexplainable podcast. This one is part of a series

0:49.7

they're doing on the Senses, Site, Smell, Touch, and today we have taste for you. The sixth and final

0:56.8

episode of that series is going to air next Wednesday. In the meantime, here we go, unexplainable

1:01.8

senior producer Meredith Hodnott with the story of the Umami Mama.

1:09.5

The science behind how things taste has been an organizing principle in my life.

1:14.3

It's led me to chemistry labs and test kitchens and science podcasts, but I've never met anyone

1:21.6

as devoted to the science of a single taste as Kumiko Minumia. My nickname is Umami Mama. Many people

1:30.7

don't know about my exact name, but they know Umami Mama. Kumiko, the Umami Mama, is a biochemist

1:38.8

and researcher. I am always talking about Umami Umami Umami. The Umami that Kumiko is always

1:46.2

talking about has always been a part of food, but it wasn't identified until 1908. That year,

1:52.8

a Japanese chemist Kiku Nai Ikeda distilled pure glutamate salt from big sheets of a seaweed

1:59.2

called kombu, a foundational ingredient in Japanese cuisine. This salt, monosodium glutamate,

2:05.5

or MSG, was more than just salty, but it wasn't exactly sour or bitter or sweet either.

2:13.4

Ikeda believed that MSG had a totally distinct taste, and that it was the basis of deliciousness,

2:20.0

or umai, Japanese, and so he called it Umami. If you eat long kukuchu stew or

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