This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Bachelorette with Professor H.J. McEnter

International Relations, six capital six points of view, Brussels. In the news for supporting

Ukraine, year two of the war, but in the news also for the Discord because of Turkey's

conduct these last months and the last year, really since the beginning of the war. A deal

of it had to do with Erdogan, the President, and the strongman for 23 years, running for yet

another term, which is now a success. He's won. Here to four, Turkey was not in descent,

but not in agreement with NATO's decision-making. It came to an incident about Sweden and Turkey

presenting Sweden from joining. Now that Erdogan is won, not overwhelmingly, but he won against

a weak candidate. He's now in a new position to reconsider his place in NATO. But Professor

NATO's point of view, now that Erdogan's back for another term.

Well, I think NATO has actually shown herself rather well in the last few weeks. They are

getting much more serious about supplying weapons to Ukraine. The Danes, bless their hearts,

are combining with Denmark and Holland. I can't remember who are supplying planes. Denmark

has followed Sweden and doubled her military expenditure. I think that the reality of European

war, the possibility of it is sinking in on the NATO powers. But no one ever really pays

much attention to Turkey. The Turks are very well aware of it. We only are interested if we need,

you know, they've got a huge army and they've got, they make their own weapons, some of which are very advanced,

there, but they have always been cold-shouldered by the European Union because they don't want a lot of

infantile Turks in Europe. Now this may come home to cause real trouble for NATO. Turkey is,

I mean, it's 300,000 square miles, which is bigger than any European country. As a population of 85

million, it is culturally very well established, not only in the former Byzantine Empire, but all the

way over, as I will say later on, there's a whole vast area of Turkic peoples in former Central

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