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The Documentary Podcast

Ukraine’s defiance, four years on

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

This week marks four years since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the largest and deadliest conflict in Europe since World War Two. Ukraine has put its official losses at 55,000 soldiers, and the BBC has verified the deaths of more than 180,000 on the Russian side, although the true toll is likely to be much higher. Tens of thousands of civilians have been killed or wounded, and millions have been displaced. The BBC’s international editor Jeremy Bowen, travels through Ukraine, speaking to people living on the front line, to soldiers, and to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, about what they would concede, if anything, for a peace deal with Russia. The Global Story brings clarity to politics, business and foreign policy in a time of connection and disruption. For more episodes, just search 'The Global Story' wherever you get your BBC Podcasts.

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:05.7

Hi there, I'm Asma Khalid, and welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

0:11.3

I normally host the Global Story.

0:13.5

It's a podcast that aims to bring clarity in a time of change.

0:17.4

Every weekday, we dive deep on one story that helps us understand our world in this

0:22.2

moment. You can find us wherever you listen to your BBC podcasts. In today's bonus episode,

0:28.0

we go inside Ukraine with the BBC's international editor, Jeremy Bowen, to get a sense of how

0:33.8

Ukrainians are surviving after four years of war.

0:39.3

Four years ago, President Vladimir Putin made a decision that would reshape Europe.

0:49.5

Vladimir Putin has just addressed the Russian people moment ago,

0:53.4

announcing what Putin called the start

0:55.2

of a military special operation, in his words, to demilitarize Ukraine.

1:01.5

The estimates of just how many people have been killed since Russia launched its full-scale

1:06.8

invasion of Ukraine vary. But whichever data point you use, it is undeniable that the death

1:13.6

toll is huge. Ukraine has put its official losses at 55,000 soldiers, and the BBC has verified

1:20.9

more than 180,000 on the Russian side. Tens of thousands of civilians have been killed,

1:28.2

millions have fled.

1:30.4

For those who've stayed on Ukraine's front lines,

1:33.3

what is life like today?

1:35.0

We're joined by the BBC's international editor, Jeremy Bowen.

1:39.0

He's been speaking to soldiers, civilians,

1:41.4

and even Ukraine's president

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