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conditions apply. This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batcher with Anatol Leven, the

Quentin Institute for Responsible Statecraft. Peace is a word that can be used casually,

but if it's in the voice of a leader of a nation that's involved in the conflict or

extremely vulnerable to the conflict, I listen. Mr. Erdogan of Turkey, a very strong leader

has said in these last hours that a new grain deal is advisable and he's going to work for it,

and perhaps the new grain deal can be the basis for a conversation about peace or ceasefire

or armistice at the same time. In these last days, Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi

Arabia, brought together 40 nations in Jeddah to talk about peace or the conditions for peace,

or at least moving in that direction. Also, attending was the People's Republic of China

representative. Russia was not invited for the other nations did attend. And at all, I offer you

Mohammed bin Salman, a recipe Erdogan. Their conversation is significant in that they're always

in the news. Shall I listen more keenly to their ideas? Is this credible what they're talking about?

Well, I think it is quite important because Russia has made such a strong play for what you might

call the non-aligned countries. But Turkey is, of course, formerly a member of NATO, but is

actually many ways non-aligned by now. And Russia has good relations with Saudi Arabia as well.

I mean, it was also of great significance, I think, that China attended, even though Russia was

not invited. And at some stage, it will be necessary to find neutral or semi-neutral intermediaries

who will be able to talk to the Russians and try to persuade them to make the reasonable

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