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The Politics Guys

Ukraine Peace Deal, Comey Case Tossed, Military Orders

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

News, Politics

4.4 • 783 Ratings

🗓️ 29 November 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Mike, Tim, and Michael open with Trump’s 28-point Ukraine peace plan, built on Russian terms that demand territorial concessions, a NATO ban, limits on Ukraine’s army, and sweeping amnesty. Tim focuses on trading some Ukrainian territory for ironclad security guarantees, including foreign troops on the ground as real deterrence. Mike argues the U.S. should massively ramp up weapons and capabilities for Kyiv, rejecting escalation fears and warning that half-measures only reward aggression and embolden China over Taiwan. Michael sees the plan as politically and militarily a nonstarter, doubts any near-term peace is possible, and warns that Zelensky is trapped between unrealistic war aims and rising domestic disillusionment. Next, the guys dig into the dismissal of criminal cases against James Comey and Letitia James after a judge ruled prosecutor Lindsay Halligan’s appointment violated federal law and the Appointments Clause. Michael says DOJ’s handling looks amateurish, highlights Halligan’s lack of prosecutorial experience, and argues the underlying Comey case is legally flimsy at best. Tim thinks it still helps Trump politically, since it looks like unpopular figures “beat the rap” on a technicality and feeds a narrative of lawfare gone soft on the powerful. Mike frames the prosecutions as part of Trump’s broader strategy to intimidate critics like a political mob boss, stressing the danger of normalizing legally thin cases even against people he personally dislikes. After that, the guys turn to the Democratic veterans’ video reminding troops to refuse illegal orders and the revelations about “no survivors” strike instructions in the Venezuela boat attacks. Michael sees a collision between basic military law and hyper-polarized politics, worries about pressure to treat oaths as loyalty to Trump rather than the Constitution, and questions labeling Venezuela a full narco-terrorist state as a pretext for undeclared war. Tim dismisses the video as a political stunt, defends aggressive action against Venezuela’s regime as morally justified and broadly popular, and argues U.S. power can legitimately push the constitutional envelope without breaking it. Mike likes the stunt precisely because it exposes Trump’s appetite for a loyal praetorian-style military, opposes any invasion of Venezuela given America’s dismal nation-building record, and rejects the idea that good ends can justify shredding constitutional constraints. Tim’s dataset on US troop deployments (and Tim’s Substack) Take advantage of our Small Business Saturday Weeklong Sale by getting an additional 10% off of annual support at the Insider and Sustainer levels by using code EF0C7 at checkout. New monthly supporters can get 90% off their first month with code 21FDF. To redeem either of these offers, go to patreon.com/politicsguys The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Check out the excellent Sustainable Planet podcast. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, vandal, hooligans.

0:05.1

I love the government, hug the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

0:12.0

Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American

0:17.0

politics and policy. I'm Northern Kentucky University Political Scientist, Michael

0:21.4

Baranowski. I'm joined today by my conservative counterpart, University of Austin economist and

0:26.5

former congressional staffer Tim Cain and political scientist Michael Levy. Hey guys. Mike, good to see you.

0:33.6

Good to see you both Tim and Mike. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Yeah, I know I did it. It was nice kind of quiet, but good to be back at it here.

0:44.3

And before we get started, I want to thank Nathan and Mel, both of whom are new Patreon supporters.

0:52.4

And I also wanted to let folks know that for the first time ever, we're doing here

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in the politics guys a, I guess you called sort of a special small business Saturday

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week sale or something like that.

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Anyway, but here's the deal.

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From now until next Saturday, which is December 6th, we are offering two special deals. I don't think

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we ever done this before again. Who knows? My memory. God knows. But anyway, first, we're going to give

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you an additional 10% discount on annual support at the insider and sustainers levels. Now,

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that's off on top of the 10% discount you already get with an annual support.

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