Ukraine: Is it all about to change?
The Briefing Room
BBC
4.8 • 731 Ratings
🗓️ 4 May 2023
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Recent movements by Ukraine and Russia's military forces suggest that the long awaited spring offensive could start any day. David Aaronovitch and guests discuss the implications.
Guests:
Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence studies and Specialist Advisor to the Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy Vitaly Shevchenko, Russia editor at BBC Monitoring Tomila Lankina, Professor of politics and international relations at LSE Dr Leslie Vinjamuri, Director of the US and the Americas programme at Chatham House
Produced by: Kirsteen Knight, Claire Bowes and Ben Carter Edited by: Penny Murphy Sound engineer: James Beard Production co-ordinator: Siobhan Reed, Debbie Richford and Sophie Hill
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:08.0 | If you'd forgotten about the war in Ukraine, then this week's appearance of drones over the Kremlin |
| 0:15.3 | will have reminded you that the biggest armed conflict in Europe since the Second World War continues. |
| 0:22.1 | Winter has passed. Spring is here, |
| 0:24.9 | and President Vladimir Zelensky says the Ukrainian counteroffensive is close. |
| 0:30.5 | Is it? If it is, what is it subjective? |
| 0:34.0 | Is it likely to succeed? |
| 0:35.8 | And if it does succeed, what then? Step inside the briefing room and together |
| 0:40.2 | we'll find out. First, what's the situation on the ground? Michael Clark is Professor of Defence |
| 0:50.4 | Studies at King's College London and specialist advisor to the Joint Committee |
| 0:54.4 | on the National Security Strategy. |
| 0:56.8 | When I last spoke to him on the briefing room in January, |
| 0:59.4 | he told me that both sides were digging in for winter. |
| 1:02.9 | So what's happened in the last four months? |
| 1:06.1 | But first, I had to ask him what his theory is about those drones. |
| 1:10.8 | Well, I'd be astonished if Kiev created this event |
| 1:15.1 | because it would be monumentally stupid of Kiev to do that. |
| 1:18.5 | And in fact, looking at the forensic material that we're aware of now, |
| 1:21.7 | there were two drones about 16 minutes apart. |
| 1:24.5 | The first one came from the west and struck above the dome at 227 in the |
| 1:30.4 | morning, created some burning, which didn't seem to do very much damage. And then 16 minutes later, |
| 1:35.2 | at 243, a second drone from the east came and went past the dome and then seemed to explode |
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