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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Ukraine in stalemate: What Kyiv needs in order to win – with Oz Katerji

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 29 November 2023

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Why did Ukraine’s much-discussed counter-offensive of summer 2023 fail to turn the tide of the War? What’s really happening on the ground, and how might the third year of this historic conflict take shape? Conflict journalist Oz Katerji reports from Ukraine to discover how and where Kyiv has succeeded and faltered – what would change the war in Ukraine’s favour – and what the spectre of a Trump Presidency would mean for Ukraine’s freedom.  We’re proud that Oz, a seasoned reporter, film-maker and podcasters, is joining the TINAD team. He’ll be hosting special editions on Ukraine and other flashpoints around the world at regular intervals. Gavin Esler returns next week. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon for early episodes, merchandise and more. • “The problem is the people watching the war on their screens and not taking account of how it’s happening in reality, on the ground.” – Maria Avdeeva, Ukrainian defence analyst • “The Brits understand this conflict far better than the Americans, for the simple reason that the Brits have a presence embedded on the ground.” – Michael Weiss, The Insider • “Everyone in Ukraine is aware that the war will be long. Ukraine will win. There is no other option. But it won’t be as fast as we were hoping a year ago.” – Maria Avdeeva • “Trump’s first impeachment was over Ukraine and he sees it as an abscess to be lanced… A Trump presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for Ukraine.” – Michael Weiss Written and presented by Oz Katerji. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Every second we were waiting for the Ukrainian army to liberate us we wondered how long

0:15.2

can Russians last we have to deoccupy all the territories that Russia is

0:21.7

occupying since it's invaded in February 22.

0:26.4

Not only because of the mere fact that we have to win,

0:31.6

but because of the fact that we have to liberate people there.

0:36.0

We were in a basement and they arrived here and called us out.

0:45.0

We stand near the garage.

0:48.0

They, we think they like shoot us.

0:52.0

These people are suffering.

0:55.0

They are suffering every day. My name is Oz Katigy and I'm a conflict correspondent currently based in Kyiv Ukraine.

1:11.0

I've covered conflicts across the Middle East in Syria and Iraq and now

1:15.9

I'm here witnessing Ukraine's resistance against Putin's forces. But despite

1:21.2

their resilience Ukraine's much- much discussed counter-offensive this year has arguably failed to live up to expectations.

1:28.0

But what's the real story here?

1:30.0

And where does that leave the future of the conflict looking forward to 2024?

1:35.0

Our

1:38.0

Our whole focus is on the front line.

1:42.0

We must all understand very clearly, as clearly as possible, that the Russian forces on our southern and eastern lands are investing everything they can to stop our warriors.

1:53.6

And every thousand meters of advance,

1:55.8

every success of each of our combat brigades

1:58.4

deserves gratitude.

2:00.9

Ukraine will continue fighting.

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