The Israel/Hamas War: Netanyahu’s crisis, Iran’s opportunity

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 22 November 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The Hamas atrocities of 7th October and Israel’s overwhelming retaliation have plunged the region into its worst chaos in 50 years. How deeply involved was Iran in the Hamas attacks? Did Netanyahu’s political desperation and strategic bungling really open the door to the most anguished day in Israel’s history? And is there a way to end the carnage before it spreads? Gavin Esler looks for answers with author and journalist Kim Ghattas who is based in Beirut – a Hamas stronghold – and Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland, author of The Escape Artist: The Man Who Broke Out of Auschwitz to Warn the World. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon for early episodes, merchandise and more. • “Iran has been using the Palestinian cause as a way to assert itself as a leader in the region for 45 years.” – Kim Ghattas • “Netanyahu needs to be in the Prime Minister’s chair to stay out of prison.” – Jonathan Freedland • “Hamas thought everyone would pitch in after their attacks, but there has been no uprising. In the Arab world you’re starting to hear ‘Iran will fight Israel to the last Arab… or to the last Sunni.’” – Kim Ghattas • “Like most militaries, Israel does not want to see photographs of dead children. To Hamas, photos like those are an asset in the battle for world opinion.” – Jonathan Freedland Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:28.0	and geographical restrictions apply. You're going to see. The seventh The 7th of October 2023 will go down in history. The day the strongest military power in the Middle East suddenly looked weak and vulnerable. The whole world needs to come to terms with the consequences and the possibilities of a wider war.
1:11.0	Israel, although this is sometimes forgotten, has the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East, at least 80 nuclear weapons.
1:20.0	Israeli see it as the ultimate deterrent against those who wish to destroy the Israeli state.
1:26.0	And yet this high-tech regional superpower was attacked in the most brutal way by conventionally armed Hamas fighters who breached a border
1:35.2	fence to commit horrendous atrocities against largely unarmed civilians. Hamas of course still holds Israeli hostages in conditions which are almost
1:47.2	unimaginable. Meanwhile the Israeli army has plowed into Gaza. Within a week of the Hamas attack Israel had dropped 6,000 bombs on the
1:57.5	140 square mile enclave. And so another horror story has developed with the deaths of thousands and
2:04.8	thousands of Palestinians including many children. There have been demonstrations
2:09.3	around the world against the Israeli military campaign. Social media is inevitably divided with claim and counterclaim as well as images of the violence.
2:18.0	In today's episode we'll go beyond the daily horror stories to focus on the wider consequences,
2:25.0	the possibility of the conflict spreading, and also the possibilities for peace.
2:30.0	How will it all end? This is not a drill. Oh, uh, yeah. Yeah, uh,
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