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To the Point

Ukraine faces ‘bloody stalemate’ — and 4 other scenarios

To the Point

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4.4583 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Russia’s assault on Ukraine is the most destructive event in Europe since World War II, and though it’s hard to determine how or when it might end, a team from Foreign Policy magazine came up with an assessment of what might be in store for Ukraine. 

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Aranalni, and this is To the Point.

0:12.9

Russia's brutal war on Ukraine turns out to be as much about refugees as it is about combat.

0:19.2

U.S. media have played down the racial discrimination that crosses

0:22.7

the borders of Europe, but it's an important part of the story, too. We'll hear more about

0:27.1

that in a few moments. First, the possible outcomes of the most destructive event since World

0:32.5

War II in that part of the world, a conflict that could get worse before it gets better.

0:38.2

To get an assessment, a team from Foreign Policy magazine

0:41.5

has spoken to more than a dozen US and European officials,

0:45.1

to military analysts and regional experts as well.

0:48.7

And they've come up with five broad scenarios

0:51.8

of what might be in store.

0:53.9

Amy McKinnon is a defense and security correspondent

0:56.8

who's part of the team. Amy, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, Warren. Very quickly,

1:02.5

you've got a bloody stalemate. You've got the partition of Ukraine, a decisive victory of one

1:08.4

side or the other, a peace agreement. And what you refer to as a black

1:12.8

swan event. And we'll find out what that means when we get there. First of all, let's talk about

1:17.5

a bloody stalemate. What are the chances of that? What does it mean? I think the chances of a

1:22.6

bloody stalemate based on our conversations with the people we spoke to for this piece are quite high,

1:29.0

that, you know, Russia has not been able to achieve its objectives.

1:33.5

You know, they thought they could go in and take Kiev incredibly quickly within a few days.

1:37.6

That is clearly not the case.

1:39.4

In fact, we're learning now that Russian defense officials are at least saying they're going to pull back

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