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The John Batchelor Show

UKRAINE; CONTINUES IS THE EASIEST. ANATOL LIEVEN. CONTINUED

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 July 2025

⏱️ 6 minutes

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UKRAINE; CONTINUES IS THE EASIEST. ANATOL LIEVEN. CONTIN1859UED

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secure. I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Anatole Levin, who's traveling, so I don't have to.

1:05.8

And he's just come from Georgia, which I recall as a city that was frozen in time about 1913, so that there were

1:14.0

buildings that were wonderfully European everywhere that I wandered. At the same time, it's reawakened

1:20.0

like Rumpelstiltskin in the 21st century. There have been political winds blowing through Georgia for some time.

1:28.3

One of them early on, you will recall, was a fragmenting of the state with a conflict zone that left North Ossetia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, no longer part of Georgia.

1:40.2

But there's still the NATO ambition.

1:43.6

So Anatole, having visited Georgia recently, do they feel positive about their future?

1:49.8

Or is it still the big questions?

1:51.8

Do we go to Moscow's way or do we go Brussels way?

1:57.2

Well, I think ideally a lot of Georgians would like to do both, if you see what I mean, would like not to have to choose.

2:08.1

Because the European Union is still very much a national vision.

2:17.1

And it's closely tied with the whole, you know, self-image as a European Christian country.

2:24.3

But on the other hand, you know, we drove up for part of this symposium I was attending.

2:30.3

We took place in the mountains and we drove up the highway leading to Russia.

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