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This is the Friends of History Debating Society.

I'm John Bachelors with Professor H.J. McHenner, quickly to Brussels.

Brussels is NATO.

It's also the EU.

We're concentrating on NATO, which is coming to a big meeting, a big powwow and Vilnius in July.

Secretary Ian Stoltenberg has asked to stay on by President Biden, which presumes that he will.

At the same time, NATO has dissenters.

One is Victor Orbán and Hungary.

Another is the unknown of Erdogan in Ankara, having won his election, continuing his authority over the Turkish people.

And one more detail, because we've talked of Hungary and Turkey before.

They're reluctant, they drag their feet, but they come along.

One more detail is Poland.

Professor, I mentioned that Poland is not looked upon with great favor by the rest of Europe because of the law and justice party,

which is right now conducting something called the Russian Influence Commission, which I'm told

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