This is the Friends Vista Debating Society. I'm John Bachelors with Professor H.J. Mac

under six capital, six points of view, Ukraine conflict Brussels. The news from

Brussels is that there are elections, frequent elections throughout the European

Union. And there are voices in some members of the NATO Alliance and of the EU who are

impatient or are now no longer understanding of Ukraine conflict's importance to the

whole of the European Union to the whole of NATO. One such country is Savakia, a small

country with an election in the spring of 2024. The current administration may or may not

run for re-election. In any event, Savakia is one of the countries, Hungary's mentioned,

Poland's mentioned, objecting to Ukrainian grain flowing easily out of Ukraine across Europe

and either lowering the price or overwhelming the grain is for sale in these five countries.

I'm describing in general impatience, Professor Brussels point of view.

Well, I think you're absolutely right about impatience. And again, if you look at wars,

you'll discover that when Roosevelt ran for his third term, he almost lost. He might

have well have lost if he had a Republican running against him. And the reason was that

people said, why the hell can't we just win the war? Get it over with, come home. And to

some extent, we, the United States, should blame for the fact that there's been no decision

so far. If we had understood that this was a war, this was not some kind of an economic

contest. And it was going to be won by killing people and breaking things, not by delivering

granola at a competitive price throughout Russia, something like that. That we have actually,

by trying to manage the war and kind of completely unrealistic, but very much academic way,

we have prolonged it. And that's made us impatient with ourselves. It's also made the

war increasingly dangerous and that it can take various different courses. Whereas if

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