Welcome to UnFuck Your Brain, the only podcast that teaches you how to use psychology, feminism, and coaching to rewire your brain

and get what you want in life.

And now here's your host, Harvard Law School Grad, Feminist Rockstar, and Master Coach,

Kara Loyenthyle.

Hello, my chickens.

Welcome, welcome.

I am very excited for this episode today. I have a lot to say about it. And so do my

amazing guess you may have heard from the Shrink Chicks podcast, Emily Beerley and Jennifer Chakin, who are both licensed marriage and

family therapists. And I'm going to let them each tell me a little bit about kind of why

did they even become a therapist how did they start a

podcast but we're going to be talking about preview spoiler we're going to be

talking about anxiety around having children not having children whether to have

children being childless by choice or not by choice and as

longtime listeners know I am now a I mean step-parent by choice I did choose to go into

this but not by plan so I have a lot of thoughts about this and this is such good timing because I'm sure you

both read or if you not you should that article in the cut that just came out about friendships

when one party has a child and one party doesn't. So I feel like this is a very

ripe time for this conversation. So tell us about yourselves, why did you become

therapists, how did you end up with this podcast? We love this question so much.

My name's Jennifer Chakin, licensed marriage and family

therapists. As we said, Emily and I own the therapy group together which is a practice

made up of systemically trained therapists. A reason why I specifically became a therapist, it's always felt very natural to me, but at the same time I had gone to therapist myself and always felt like it was a very clinical experience and

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