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You know, Hello, friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I am so excited about today's episode.

So today is our two-year anniversary, so this is a bonus episode for you. And also we have our very

first guests on The Rabbit Hole. So I would like to introduce Leslie and Stephen Shaw.

Leslie Shaw has been working as a journalist for the past 18 years. She is also a trained artist with a bachelor's degree in experimental animation and ancient art history.

Stephen is a retired acupuncturist, Tai Chi instructor, and orchestral musician.

So they both have a lifelong love affair with the UFO subject.

They are both UFO witnesses, which is super super cool. And Stephen and his

very psychic family have been victims of the alien abduction phenomenon for at least three

generations. So they have spent the last 20 years researching their UFO book, who they are and

what they're up to. And if you're interested in reading their

book, I am linking that in the show notes as well as their Instagram if you want to get in touch

with them. Guys, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for coming.

Hi. Thanks for the intro. I am so excited to have you guys here, talk about your UFO journey.

So, Leslie, I know you started,

or both of you, excuse me, started doing the research, but when you first saw your UFO encounter,

so I want you to talk about that. And then, Stephen, I want you to kind of go all the way back to

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