I spoke earlier about the stigma, and this is one of the main reasons that I really go so hard after,

who I refer to as professional debunkers, people like Mick West, Michael Shermer,

Susan Gerbock, the head of this crazy Wikipedia editing group called the Gorilla Skeptics.

These are people, in my opinion, that their whole job is to propagate the stigma.

And you think about what does that stigma do to a person that has experienced this stuff.

Maybe they've had abduction experiences or things, experiences with this stuff that are just incredibly traumatic.

If you have beings in your room abducting you at night, you must be a little bit nutty, or maybe you have

some PTSD issues, as you had with Ken, the article from Ken Klippenstein regarding David

Grush and, of course, Stephen Green Street propagating that. It's really in a way, I feel like

when these organized professional people do that, it's an attack on people's

mental health that have experienced these things in a very traumatic way.

For me, I didn't really have too much of an issue coming out and talking about this. Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. As always, my name is Andy and very excited to

welcome with me today, a guest for the first time. He is an Emmy award-winning journalist, producer and political strategist.

He, of course, will be best known to many of you as the creator and host of The Good Trouble Show.

His work focuses on UAP, national security, emerging technology and US politics, interviewing senior lawmakers, Pentagon insiders and leading figures shaping the disclosure conversation.

Welcome to the podcast, Matt Ford. Matt, welcome. Andy, thank you so much for having me.

It is a pleasure to be here. Good to have you on me. First time, can't believe it, after a good few

years now of you running your show, has done incredibly well massive on YouTube um yeah

i think i thought i would have had you on long before now but that's just the way these things

fall sometimes and perhaps the timing has just worked out eh for this one um but listen we've we've

never spoken before face to face like this outside of a few messages back and forward here and there

nothing nothing nefarious folks there's no inner circle or secret signal group that I'm a part of,

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