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I'm not so I'm not aware I've heard of this and first of all George Knapp is a is a

legend I mean you know you talk about someone that that really is the the grandfather in many

ways as far as like where where we are journalistically on this particular topic.

I am not aware of what he is speaking of,

but what I will say, and I've said this really since about,

I think I brought this up around the springtime,

is a really in my, from what I've observed,

probably around the very beginning of 2025, right around January, is what I think is a communications, a comms plan,

hatched probably by combination of DODIC and the Legacy program to pour cold water on all of this,

in like a one to two year time period. And really, the genesis of it, I think,

was right around January of last year when Joel Shackman of the Wall Street Journal began

reaching out to Christopher Mellon, Lou Elizondo, and others to speak to the Wall Street Journal about this.

So that started in January. Then I think it was right around a few months later. That's when you had

Tim Phillips who got dozed and let go of Arrow, at least that's the public-facing story,

go on these podcasts and attack David Grush and whistleblowers.

And that was sort of a continuation of the public messaging that Sean Kirkpatrick had done

in the previous year.

But you began to see a real uptick

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