When I turned 40, I decided, you know, I'm a grown up now, I can have a nice proper watch that I might want to hang on to for a few years, and I really couldn't decide between something contemporary and something vintage.

And then I had this incredible thought that never occurred to me before,

which is that I could have more than one.

I didn't need to decide.

And that never occurred to me before.

It had never I thought it was like having a pair of eyeglasses.

You know you buy one they sit in your face for years and years.

Right. I thought I can have two of these things. So, Hey everybody. I'm your host Stephen Pulverin and this is Hodincky Radio.

The centerpiece of this week's episode is a conversation that I've been looking forward to having for a long time. Jonathan Heffler is arguably the most important

designer of typography on the planet right now. Whether or not you know it you see

Jonathan's work every day, everywhere.

From magazine covers to billboards to your smartphone.

The occasion for our conversation

was last week's release of Abstract The Art of Design

Season 2 on Netflix, which includes an entire episode about Jonathan and his work, including a brand new typeface inspired by vintage watches.

But first, I sat down with Ben to talk about her recent travels, him to Italy with

omega and me to China with Bulgery. Both were fun but in very different ways.

Enjoy. This week's episode is presented by Grand Seco. Stay tuned later in the show for a look at one of the four

watches from the new Seasons Collection, which is exclusive to the US. For more, visit Grand

Seco.S. For more, visit Grand Seaco.com.

Good to see you, good to be back in the office.

And you, sir, welcome home.

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