Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for political eclectics.

I'm Robbie Gupta.

And today I talked to two different leaders in two different sectors, two different states who couldn't be any more different, except for one thing that unites them,

is that there are two people I admire very much and who have had a chance to see up close doing incredible work for people.

And the reason why I'm highlighting these two folks is because I think so much of the news is negative.

Like, who stumbled, SBF, Elizabeth Holmes, what stupid thing to Elon Musk say today? What divides us, right?

And we don't spend enough time talking about people who put their heads down and do great work

to make people's lives better.

And that should give us some reason for idealism to know that there are people out there

who are doing the work.

And often those people who are doing the work, because they're doing the work, have a lot

more interesting things to say than the people who commentate on that

work. So the two different people we're talking to is my friend Marshall, who runs this company

down in Mississippi, that I got a chance to see up close that's providing incredible results

for some of the hardest to reach patients in the country. And Marshall is just a wonderful, wonderful person and has a unique insight into how to just do

medical care right and ethically.

And then we're going to talk to my friend Zach, who's the head of emergency management

in New York City, and he'll talk about, you know, what does it mean to obsess over on a

daily basis? What could go wrong for a city of

gazillion people with a lot of different threats and a lot of different, you know, threats both

people-driven and natural? And how do you balance those threats? How do you prepare for them?

How do you react to them? How do you collaborate? How do you hold people accountable?

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