Hi, it's Anna Marie Cox. Welcome to a Friends Like These, the show where we have some uncountable

conversations and talk through our differences. This week is our monthly check-in with

Republican rock-hunt tour and die-hard never-trumper Rick Wilson. He is a bomb-thrower of sorts

himself and we talk something about bombs and nukes and buttons and who's biggest. And

then continuing in that uplifting trend, we're going to have a conversation with Sachi Cole

who is a writer for Buzzfeed. She wrote a piece about Logan Paul who is, I will commend

you if you do not know the rest of this sentence, but he is a YouTube personality who is in

the news this week because of a distasteful video that he posted. We'll be talking about

that and more in the second segment, but coming up first, Rick Wilson.

So, my friend, Master of the Dark Arts.

What the fuck is happening?

What's happening right now is you are seeing inside of the Trump world a shit show meltdown

that comes from two men with enormous egos finally colliding. And as I put it to somebody

yesterday, this is like two rats in a sack. They're going to tear each other apart. And

for Bannon, the reason that the reason Bannon's sticking with Trump is purely, you know,

venal reason. He's got to keep the business model of Breitbart alive. And what does that

mean? That means shoveling out a metric shit ton every day of boot bait for the Breitbart

audience. And for the Trump audience, where those people, they need to hear every day that

they're waging war against the hated mainstream media and the rhinos and the establishment

blah, blah, blah. But you know, Bannon's clearly as the Wolf book reports. And frankly,

as you know, a lot of other reporters have been covering this for a while. Bannon has a degree

of contempt for this president based on, you know, the fact that president best words is post

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