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Welcome to Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me. We have another special episode. We're planning this one, but it's been a week, so I thought I'd have Charlie Worsell from the New York Times come on to talk about it. Welcome, Charlie. Thanks for having me. Thanks for jumping on, whatever time it is, Montana time for you in your bunker, your wooden paneled bunker. We don't have time here anymore. It's just not a thing. So this will hopefully go up Monday, so it'll be timely because things are changing

quickly. Late last week, I thought it might be good to have Charlie on to talk about the president

in Section 230 and his fight with Twitter and Facebook. And I still want to talk about that,

but obviously we're seeing giant unrest across the country. And I want to talk to Charlie about that and the way media and social media are playing into all of this, affecting all of this, being affected by it.

And a lot of these discussions I have with people like Charlie or people on this show, we end up spending a lot of time talking about how bad social media is.

And I'm sure we will talk about that.

But maybe we can start off with this proposition. about how bad social media is and I'm sure we will talk about that but

maybe we can start off with with this proposition I think that social media has been tremendously

helpful in the last week in a number of ways there's a number of ways that's fallen down we can

talk about those but um I think from circulating the horrifying footage of George Floyd being killed

...