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Very happy to be back with you guys.

And I'm excited for the conversation that I have for you today.

I got to talk with Rachel Ridgeway, who recently became the mom to two little twins that she, well, you'll actually,

I'm not even going to tell you, you're going to hear the whole story in our interview, but we get

into a very complex and really controversial conversation, to be honest,

about IVF and the moral and ethical dilemmas surrounding it. I think you're going to learn

from this conversation. I think you might even be challenged. You may disagree with some of the

things we say, but I hope you'll listen and hear. You may disagree with some of the things we say,

but I hope you'll listen and hear the heart behind the concerns that Rachel brings up.

And, you know, I think these are conversations that Christians have got to be having out in the

open. We've got to be willing to evaluate and maybe even reevaluate things that we previously

thought were okay or fine based on what we are learning

and how we might have misunderstood things. I know that I've had to do that on this topic,

and you'll hear that in this conversation. And so anyways, it was a very fascinating and

encouraging conversation for me, and I pray that it will be for you too.

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