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Turkey rising. Gregory Copley, Defense & Foreign Affairs

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🗓️ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Turkey rising. Gregory Copley, Defense & Foreign Affairs
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:10.0

I welcome Gregory Copley, editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs, publishing most recently about Europe.

0:19.0

Europe and its relationship to the Ukrainian war, the wider consequences

0:24.6

of the Russian-Ukraine war as it winds down, as it leans towards a resolution of some kind.

0:31.7

One place to start about on unintended consequence is Turkey.

0:41.7

Turkey right now is ripped by protests, political protests,

0:47.3

against a very strong, very willful, almost driven president, Erdogan.

0:51.6

Erdogan is also engaged in Syria, a darkness visible,

0:58.6

and is opposite Russia, often he is, Black Sea Basin, and controls what you'd have to say is a vision, a dream that many in the Middle East have called

1:04.7

neo-Ottomanism.

1:06.2

What is that?

1:07.6

Recreation of the Ottoman Empire that existed right up until the first war and then broke into pieces.

1:14.4

Iraq, Afghanistan, Persia, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, all the way down to Africa, Saudi Arabia, the Ottoman Empire of five centuries

1:30.3

ago.

1:30.8

But Erdogan sees himself as the master of all this terrain.

1:37.1

Unintended consequence?

1:38.5

Question mark.

1:39.2

Gregory, did anyone see that Turkey would make this move before the Ukrainian war,

1:45.2

before NATO and the EU became obsessed with Keef while Ankara advanced?

1:52.6

Was this predicted or is it an accident of history?

1:56.4

Good evening, too.

1:58.0

Good evening, John.

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