Hi folks, Jack Spirko here. Today you are listening to an episode of TSP Rewind.

Commercial free versions of past episodes podcast blast from the past.

I put these up when I can't do a show due to professional commitments or rare vacations.

These podcasts will appear in standard iTunes, Stitcher, and other feeds,

but will be titled TSP Rewind episodes and numbered accordingly.

And today folks, we rewind back to September the 7th, 2021,

one of the, actually the most recent episode that we have rewinded during this period.

Ah, what a year and several months ago.

I had Neil Spakman on.

Neil Spakman is a person who to me personally is an inspiration.

Neil took Jeff Lawton's online PDC.

Shortly thereafter, he was given an opportunity. That was it.

That was pretty much the training he had and some professional knowledge and things like that.

That was pretty much where he was at.

He received an opportunity to go consult in the deserts of Saudi Arabia on one of the largest

permaculture projects that's ever been done working with the Bedwins.

And he was both excited and terrified.

So he contacted Jeff and said, Jeff, I have this opportunity.

I won't do it, but I'm terrified.

Will you help me? Jeff said, yeah, I'll do what I can.

I'm not going to be there. You're going to be your project, but I'll advise you.

I'll help you. Of course you should do this.

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