Hi, friends. Welcome to another episode of That Sounds Fun. I'm your host, Annie F. Downs.

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Today is another exciting day for that sounds fun network and for us here at that sounds fun. The podcast Carlos Whitaker is here. He's been on a couple of times episode 55, episode 230. If you want to go back and hear those, but today is extra exciting because today we are helping him launch his new podcast called human hope. It is y'all.

It is so good. So even right now go and wherever you're listening to me go and subscribe to human hope that first episode is there for you. I think you're going to love this show and I love getting sit down with my friend and talk all about it and answer some of your questions.

So here's my conversation with the host of the human hope podcast Carlos Whitaker.

Okay, Carlos Whitaker. First of all, welcome to the that sounds fun network. Everyone guessed it. People have been saying it to both of us for a year.

I know. I know. I know. I'm freaking out. I can't believe this is actually happening. And I never thought about doing this whole network thing to be honest with you until it was you.

It's you. It's you. My friend Annie who I've just known you a long time and I trust you and your team. And you know, I'm just I don't want to get into old maybe I have questions later.

You know, but I'm just so freaking excited to be part of this family. Yeah, it is. I hope it is as close as you can build without sharing the same my name or the same home.

So again, you know, I'm one of a team. There's you know, the team is awesome. I just am the lucky one who gets to be the face. Carlos, you've done a lot of podcasts. Why are you doing human hope?

Why are we doing this again? What's your story? So you're an OG podcast. I don't know. Listen, OG. Yes. So let me tell you how OG this podcast was not this podcast but my podcast in career.

2006. I started my first podcast called the Ragamuff and Soulcast and that was just I just reviewed worship albums and that really that's what you did. So I did. I'm trying desperately to find old episode like I don't know where they went. You know,

but I know they're on a hard drive somewhere. Yeah. And I mean, this is before I was just a local worship pastor church in LA. And I'm like, I'll never free. I was like pitting like Hillsong United against passion worship. And it was like this dueling thing. And I just had so much fun.

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