Thank you for joining us today on this episode of The Sword and the Trowl.

Today, Pastor Tom and I talk with James Baird about his new book, King of Kings.

It's a new title from Founders Press.

It's on political philosophy and political theology.

I hope this conversation is helpful to you.

Take a listen.

Welcome to The Sword and the Trowel.

The Sword and the Trowel is a podcast of Founders Ministries and Founders Exists for the Recovery of the Gospel and the Reformation of local churches. I'm Graham Gundin. I'm Tom Askell. And today's episode is brought to you by Lake Yale Baptist Conference Center. And I would say it's brought to you by the Miller's Grove soap company, but they're selling so much soap. They can't do any more ads. They're too busy. This is not brought to you by the Miller's Grove Soap Company, but they're selling so much soap. They can't do any more ads. They're too busy. So this is not brought to you by the Miller's Grove soap company. And today we have in the studio with us a new author for Founders Press who has come out with a new book. James Baird in the book is King of Kings. Thanks for joining us in the studio today, James. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. James, you are a pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church down in Naples, so you just had to make a quick drive up here to join us. And so we're grateful that you're here locally with us, and we're grateful that you have written the book as well in this book is on Christian government.

Yeah, King of Kings.

I remember, I think it was a mutual friend that sent me the manuscript and, hey, or told me about the book,

before the manuscript was written and said, hey, I think this is something you got to look at.

And, you know, I was very interested in it, but you're a Presbyterian.

And sometimes the Presbyterian understanding of political theology goes beyond what my

Baptist conscience is comfortable with.

But in reading what you wrote, man, it's just like, yeah, this is great.

This fits with our Protestant, reformed heritage that both Baptists and Presbyterians can unite on. And we would have

some differences if we went further on specifics. And even amongst Presbyterians, you guys would

have differences. And certainly that's true among the Baptists. But man, this is just like bread and

butter stuff. This is so good. What was it that provoked you to write something like this?

Oh, it's a great question.

I think like most of us, a couple years ago, I thought I got to figure out my political

theology.

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