There's no point at which I will have, like, made it or reach the end or whatever, and that is super motivating for me.

And I think, like, I'm not someone that suffers from burnout, where it's like, oh, I just did this hard project and now I just want to, like, chill for a while.

It's like, oh, I just did this hard project. I'm like, what to, like, chill for a while. It's like, oh, I just did this hard project.

I'm like, what's next?

Like, I'm psyched for the next thing.

Alex, could you rank the L-Cap big wall free climbs in order from easiest to hardest?

All right.

From easiest, you have the free rider, which is so easy that has been solid, so that's pretty chill.

Then you have, what, Golden Gate, you have the Salate, you have Corzone. Those are kind of the easy walls. Beyond that, you start getting into the mid-tier Ocap roots, which are...

Wait, how easy is easy when you say those things? Those are 13B, and those are, you know, some of them are hard 13B, but basically they're 13B.

And they're kind of just doable.

They're things that a good climber should be able to do ground up or just kind of like as an adventure.

Then you get into the ones that are a little harder. So there's the mirror wall with a bunch of different variations, but basically all the

variations of the mirror are sort of 13C-ish, 13-plus-ish. There's El Niño with the variations

like Lanina, the slightly harder direct version. And then there's like the Zodiac, but that's pretty

freaking hard. And then you start getting into the really hard ones, which are kind of like the

Tommy roots, like the dihedral wall, magic mushroom.

I mean, lurking fear hasn't been repeated,

as you may be broken, the West Butters.

There are a couple other Tommy roots.

I mean, obviously the Don Wall, most notably is the hardest.

And how many of those have you done in your career?

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