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The Wargame

Truth vs Lies | Grey Zone Ep 2

The Wargame

Sky News

Society & Culture, Documentary, News

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 January 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

This episode explores a battle between truth and lies that’s threatening democracies around the world. It looks at how information is used as a weapon, not just by hostile foreign states, seeking to divide and weaken rival nations, but also by domestic politicians and other actors.Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes speaks to the author of a book on the history of disinformation, Professor Thomas Rid , who talks about fake news during the Cold War and warns about the risk of political violence today when people can no longer agree on facts.It’s a warning that played out on the streets of Washington DC in January when supporters of Donald Trump stormed the US Capitol building, spurred on by a false belief that Joe Biden had stolen his way to victory in the 2020 presidential election.Deborah also visits one of the UK’s best-known fighters of suspected Russian and Chinese fake news, who battles online trolls from his remote cottage in Scotland. And if you think that sounds strange, remember, in the grey zone, the frontline is everywhere!Interviews:Thomas Rid, professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University, author of Active Measures – the secret history of disinformation and political warfareLinas Linkevicius, foreign minister of Lithuania until December 2020Keir Giles, author of a handbook on Russian information warfare for NATO, senior consulting fellow at Chatham HouseDaniel Jones, founder and president of Advance DemocracyBen Nimmo, head of investigations at GraphikaBen Wallace, United Kingdom’s defence secretaryKate Jones, director of Oxford University’s diplomatic studies programme.Credits:Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes Edited and produced by Chris ScottProduction support from Sophia McBride and Victoria SeabrookAdditional voices provided by Cayetano DelgadoThe head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

Transcript

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0:00.0

Estimated, Sir Medino.

0:01.9

An alarming post appeared in Spanish on a Facebook page in early August 2018.

0:07.1

In which we transled the information about the possible attack against Boris Johnson.

0:11.5

It claimed Spanish intelligence had evidence of a plot to assassinate Boris Johnson,

0:16.6

hatched by Remainers, who didn't want the UK to leave the European Union.

0:21.1

At the time, rouse over Brexit were consuming then Prime Minister Theresa May's government.

0:27.3

I said I would turn. I said...

0:31.0

I said I would turn to the Northern Ireland.

0:35.7

Order. Order. Order. The House must calm itself.

0:40.2

Zen, restraint, patience.

0:44.8

Here are the Prime Minister.

0:46.8

Mr Johnson had just resigned as her Foreign Secretary,

0:50.3

but he was a top contender to replace her

0:52.7

in any future leadership race.

0:55.5

No fuel needed to be added to the Brexit fire.

0:58.4

But this Spanish Facebook post included a letter supposedly from Spain's foreign minister

1:04.1

apparently sent to a leading Spanish MP.

1:08.0

Prepared by the radicals opponents of Brexit

1:10.7

that push can impede that be named the Prime Minister of the

1:13.6

Paix.

1:14.6

It referred to a, quote, possible attack on Boris Johnson by radical Brexit opponents who want

1:19.6

to stop him being nominated Prime Minister.

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