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The Wargame

Hack & Leak | Grey Zone Ep 3

The Wargame

Sky News

Society & Culture, Documentary, News

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 January 2021

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

This episode looks at the grey zone weapon of hacking information – like private emails or documents – and then leaking it online to try to influence people or damage reputations.It is a tactic Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, is accused of using to target the US presidential election in 2016 and the French election in 2017.Moscow has denied involvement.Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes also talks about how she was impacted in a suspected hack and leak against a British organisation that ran a programme, called the Integrity Initiative, aimed at countering suspected Russian disinformation.Interviews:Paul Chichester, director of operations at the National Cyber Security CentreChris Donnelly, founder of the Institute for Statecraft“Hawk”, a Lithuanian man, who volunteers as an “elf” to fight the online “trolls”Keir Giles, author of a handbook on Russian information warfare for NATO, senior consulting fellow at Chatham HouseThomas Rid, professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University, author of Active Measures – the secret history of disinformation and political warfareBen Nimmo, head of investigations at GraphikaCredits:Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes Edited and produced by Chris ScottAdditional voice provided by Matt SteeleThe head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is what it can sound like to be caught up in a grey zone style attack.

0:05.0

If Shady were an organisation, it would be Integrity Initiative.

0:11.1

Documents purportedly leaked from the UK funded influence network, the Integrity Initiative.

0:16.3

Deborah Haynes, who is mentioned in the Integrity Initiative Files.

0:21.3

This is a state-funded charity that's been undermining British democracy.

0:25.7

A journalist are named in them, Deborah Haynes.

0:27.5

A member of the UK Clister.

0:29.1

Just part of the intelligence activity of the UK.

0:32.7

Deborah Haynes, Foreign Affairs Editor of Sky News.

0:34.6

Do you care about your...

0:36.5

Do you have no journalistic integrity at all?

0:40.3

Foreign Affairs Evered editor for Sky?

0:43.3

These are comments from the Kremlin-funded News Channel, RT,

0:46.6

a former Labour MP and a YouTuber.

0:49.3

For the record, I'm not suggesting they were wittingly part of any attack.

0:55.1

It was late 2018, when reality briefly disappeared,

0:59.6

and I found myself under fire in the grey zone.

1:05.2

Strangers online started accusing me of working for the British government against Russia.

1:14.6

Over Twitter, they suggested I was some kind of stooge, paid to make the Kremlin look bad,

1:16.6

as part of a shadowy operation linked to the spy agency MI6.

1:23.6

It was complete rubbish,

1:25.6

but I felt that trying to respond to every allegation would only feed the frenzy.

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