Trusting God in the “Not Yet” and the “What If”: DawnCheré Wilkerson & Erin Hicks Moon
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🗓️ 19 June 2025
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
This week, we’ll hear from pastor, speaker, and author DawnCheré Wilkerson. After walking through an eight-year journey of infertility, DawnCheré began to have a new understanding of what it means to trust God even when the answer is “not yet.” Now a mother of four, she encourages others to look for God’s presence not just in fulfilled promises, but in the slow, sacred work of waiting.
Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Erin Hicks Moon. Erin is a writer, podcaster, and the resident Bible scholar on the Faith Adjacent podcast. Known for creating thoughtful space for spiritual questions, Erin invites listeners to engage their faith with open hands and open hearts, believing that questions aren’t roadblocks but profound invitations.
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Interview Quotes:
“All of life is waiting. I think that we feel the tension between hope and despair, but I found that a relationship with God and faith in Jesus, make all the difference.” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“It’s in the waiting that I discovered who God is. The intimacy that you feel when you’re desperate for God, knowing that He’s close, knowing that He’s involved in every second, knowing that He’s orchestrating your life; there’s a confidence that we can hold on to. And when we find it in seasons of desperation, we don’t just find it for that moment, we get to carry it for the rest of our life. ” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“In those eight years of infertility, I came to a place where I discovered there is work in this wait. There’s soil for me to dig deep into. There are areas for me to grow, areas for me to prune, areas for me to be outstretched and generous with my life.” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“Hebrews is very clear. Abraham, Sarah, Rahab, Moses… Scripture tells us in Hebrews that they all died still believing in what they had not seen. So if these heroes of the faith, the matriarchs, the patriarchs of our faith, didn’t see all of the promise in this life, why do I think that I will? This is where we get to trust God, but know that this is not the end of the story.” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“I think what life is really about is this long burning fuse attached not to a seasonal outcome of the explosion of God’s faithfulness, but rather to the promise of eternity.” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“We say we’re waiting, but we’re filling the time with a million different things that are really turning down the volume on the voice of God. A lot of my focus in life is how to prune out distractions because I’m prone to pick up so many different things to fill the time while I’m waiting on God.” - DawnCheré Wilkerson
“There’s a really heavy leaning on preaching and crafting sermons and getting people in line with exact ‘correct’ theological beliefs, but I think there’s a disconnect between that and actually being pastored. Do people believe what we say because of what we do? I think a lot of younger generations are seeing a disconnect between that, and they want to follow the fruit.” - Erin Hicks Moon
“I think we often tend to over complicate things at times. The disciples—we don’t have any record of them arguing about atonement theory or transubstantiation—what we’re mostly left with is just ‘go do the thing. Take care of the people. Tell them about Jesus. Let the Holy Spirit do the Holy Spirit’s work.’” - Erin Hicks Moon
“I think if we lean in with a posture of curiosity, it’s one of the avenues through which we love our neighbor as ourselves. I think we want our kids and the people who come after us to have better tools and be more informed to have a fuller faith.” - Erin Hicks Moon
“I see prayer as life with God, and I think there are so many ways to be with God. You don’t have to have everything perfectly figured out with God to talk to God, to be with God, and to look for God everywhere.” - Erin Hicks Moon
“The goal is being with Jesus and letting Jesus transform you. I would tell you not to be afraid or to try to push past the fear of burning something down, like your faith, because ash is fertilizer and good things will grow again.” - Erin Hicks Moon
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| 0:00.0 | Life Audio |
| 0:02.0 | Did you know that Jesus Calling has its own YouTube channel? |
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| 0:12.0 | You'll find beautiful videos with short devotional moments to help you through your day, |
| 0:16.0 | as well as stories on video from celebrities, authors, pastors, and everyday people who share what their faith |
| 0:22.1 | journey has meant to them. You'll also find that Jesus listens stories of prayer series |
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| 0:33.3 | each week. I've discovered that my little surrendered to a faithful God is so much more than I could ever |
| 0:42.6 | dream. |
| 0:43.0 | I mean, I think about the little boy who just gave his fish and his loaves and it fed thousands. |
| 0:49.1 | God, I don't have enough, but put in your hands, you'll do more than I could ever dream. |
| 0:56.1 | Welcome to the Jesus Calling podcast. |
| 0:58.7 | This week we'll hear from pastor, speaker, and author Don Cherie Wilkerson. |
| 1:02.9 | After walking through an eight-year journey of infertility, |
| 1:05.9 | Don Cherie began to have a new understanding of what it means to trust God, |
| 1:09.5 | even when the answer is not yet. |
| 1:11.7 | Now a mother of four, she encourages others to look for God's presence, not just in fulfilled |
| 1:15.8 | promises, but in the slow, sacred work of waiting. |
| 1:19.7 | Later in the episode, we'll hear from Aaron H. Moon. |
| 1:22.4 | Aaron is a writer, podcaster, and the resident Bible scholar on the faith-adjacent podcast. |
| 1:27.4 | Known for creating thoughtful space for spiritual questions, |
| 1:30.1 | Aaron invites listeners to engage their faith with open hands and open hearts, |
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