Sometimes it feels like you have two, three, five big fires going on all at once.

And what does that do to your marriage?

I remember a season early on where we had a six-month-old who had a surgery because he swallowed a hair barrette. That's a whole separate story.

His brother had some sort of sinus infection. Dina was sick. I was crushed at work. There was

so much going on. I was fairly new here at Focus. It was awful, and there was no communication

whatsoever. How do you manage that? Well, I'm John Fuller, joined by Dr. Greg

Smalley and his wife, Aaron. We're going to go back and unpack the recesses of my mind and see if we

can do some therapy in reverse. No, Greg and Aaron head up our marriage team, and I know that

you all have been through, you're probably in a season like that, kind of like right now.

Yes. I was like right now. Yes.

I was like years was from early.

I'm thinking, man, this morning was pretty chaotic.

Well, I mean, so we're all in this kind of thing and we're all trying to get better and

stronger and keep marriage going, but what do you do when it's just like one thing after

another?

I would say sometimes we conquer and divide, that that works well.

Other times we're in it together and we're swimming upstream together and reminding each other,

hey, I'm here with you. I think back to, we were speaking at a family camp for a New Year's Eve family

camp. And our son stayed home. And he was diagnosed

with Mono before we left. And so we're at this family camp speaking and I start not feeling well.

I'm just coughing and I can feel it in my chest. And Gerson keeps texting me saying, I'm the most miserable I've ever been. I can't sleep. I can't

swallow. On and on. I'm like, son, you're fine. Just lay on the couch and watch football. He was with

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