A Hawaii doctor takes his wife on a birthday hike.

She says he tried to throw her off a cliff and kill her.

And after hearing everything, all the testimonies, a trial just wrapped.

The jury says, not attempted murder, but you're not getting out of prison, Scott Free.

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Today is a story that is as psychological as it is violent and disturbing.

It is about a marriage unraveling, a cliffside confrontation, a wife who somehow survives,

and a jury that draws a line between rage and intent to kill and who better

to have on for this story than a licensed marriage therapist for over 40 years who's been

on planet earth for 86 years going on 87 my own beloved mother who I've been battling with 86 years young a licensed

marriage therapist a child Holocaust survivor and the oldest active true crime podcaster

in America and maybe the world.

And Karm, this is not just a case about what happened on that cliff.

It's about what's happening and happened or happened inside that marriage and inside his mind.

You got the assignment late. You like your assignments early.

It's why we call it news and not olds. You and I've had a difficult week together. There's some

tension between us, but we will get through the show just fine. When I gave you this assignment last night, Karm,

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