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journalism. So for the last few weeks, you and I, we don't often get to say we were right. I don't

think we'd want to say we were right, but we saw this coming and it's come. Yeah, I mean, I've gone through, I'll admit,

I've gone through bits, moments where I've thought,

oh, women will come through and, you know,

especially the end, because Donald Trump, the president elects,

final sort of closing argument, it wasn't really a closing argument,

it was just a volley of abuse.

So I thought, well, this isn't going very well.

But you're right.

I mean, I think when we did Michael Wolfe's podcast, for example, we both said we thought

Trump would win, and he has.

Yeah.

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